RTP / Antena 1 Radio - Program "Os Pais do Rock"; broadcast # 4 of 28 February 2014:

- The beginners of 'Punk-Rock' movement in Portugal.

... listen to an interview with Jorge Antonio.


Excerpts of an interview by Pedro Ferreira in “Música & Som” nº 46 - April, 1979 :
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MS – MS - What is the importance of punk rock, of intense vibration, frantic, imperative, that only can be refused or accepted.
like some kind of a collective ritual? Why the hopeless motorized music.
Óscar – There’s a certain ecstasy…but we don’t want to recruit blind hosts. We live an intense life, we like to live intensely; people have to live urgently, otherwise they turn into walking corpses...
Alfredo – It’s a kind of music that reflects a way of life. Our own “modus vivendi”, but even more about many people.
life, it reflects the opposition from who acts and the life of those who accepts everything.
(somebody) – We had a rock culture, not the official one, not massified...
Alfredo – The aggressivity we put on what we played, was the result of our unemployed lives… the forces we took from.
what we lived, lead us to what we do today.
MS – And what about way outs? Some bands in Great Britain call themselves socialists or anarchists inside “New Wave”. I remember “Anarchy… hummmm… in United Kingdom...
Alfredo – What a confusion inside your head!
Óscar – It’s “Anarchy in U.K.” by The Pistols.
MS – That’s it. The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Buzzcocks...
Óscar – We don’t tell the people to do this or that. We transmit our experiences, we shout “alert”, and we say we’re alive. From that point, people have to develop, they must oil their brains, or...
Alfredo – We all understand if a system is from left or right. One year ago, was easier, but we know the political field we choose.
Óscar – We are no masters of thinking, or any kind of gurus.
MS – Influences from the French “new philosophers”?
Óscar – No, I said masters of thinking, with no intention at all, I just made the connection later.
Serra – We just say “must violate the system”, we don’t say we’re gonna do it, or how...
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Serra – Personally, I think this band is not going to last long, because we can’t evolve...
MS – But you must rehearse somewhere!
Óscar – No, we don’t rehearse for almost three months. We’ve been put out from the place where we rehearsed, because we annoyed the priests of a church next door.
Alfredo – Besides, none of us is interested the band to end, but there are many difficulties we must solve at short date. The question is not about splitting up the band, the question is: the band may finish, because things don’t change. We didn’t draw off all the possibilities of evolution, very far from that.
Serra – I do think so, but we don’t have the chance to do that.
MS – How much do you earn every time you perform?
Alfredo – Nothing. Everything goes to the equipment, transports, food, when we play in the country (are the best contracts). We don’t even keep the minimum. When we played at the “Hot Rods” two concerts, we get paid 12.000$00.
It was indecent, we only did it for promotion.
(...) Excerpts of an interview by António Duarte in “Rock em Portugal” nº 4 - May/June, 1978:
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And we were there all together. The musicians and the road crew: Acácio, Silvino (Pi-flin), Alfredo II, Zé da Velha and Spinola.).
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RP - Why “Aqui d’el-Rock”?
Serra – We are a group of guys who lives on the edge for years…We have no musical basic formation and all that stuff.
We are large-eared musicians, like somebody called us. We started making noise some years ago. We bought some amplifiers and drums made by pieces… Then we realized that exists a certain movement of musicians who have no money to do big things, we grab that idea and started to do what we always wanted...
RP – Did you join the punk by opportunism?
Serra – We don’t call ourselves… how do you say? – punk. We have some ideas, which in great part, match with punk.
If punk is like what we want to do, then we are punks. If not, we are not punks.
RP – So, what are you doing?
Alfredo – We do the music we always liked. If that is punk, then we are punks.
RP – What do you think about the punk movement?
Serra – Well, we know about punk from what we heard, we never went to England or America – we can’t afford that – to listen to punk bands. We know they want to give to rock what it had in the early days, the strength, the spontaneity, what was turned upside down by the intellectuals. Our name comes from there. “Aqui d’el-Rock” is a kind of call for help in order to move all this gear around the music… (loud noise made by an aeroplane flying by)… We are aggressive, not only in the music, but also in words – in Portuguese – against all what is wrong, against the system that they want to put down our fucking heads, against the life we live. Me, for example, I’ve been five years without getting a job. Now, I work at a warehouse… two other guys have to fry their brains studying to get something… another guy works and gets payment in five months. We got to tell this.
RP – You are rebels!
Serra – We are all rebels since birth.
RP – Who do you want to attack?
Serra – We attack everything that needs to be attacked, from our point of view. It’s the capitalist system, it’s another system called “sucksialist”, that seems to be useful to shut up some kind of problems… I’m not saying we are against socialism.
Alfredo – We are against “sucksialism”, not the real socialism.
Serra – We are against the way how they try to put in our heads that we are in the good way to the socialism, to a good life, and so on… they only reformulate the capitalist system, and all that moves around it, fascism and all that shit, they just open way to men explore other men.
RP – So, you are a political band!
Serra – We are a rock band with many things in relation with punk, whatever punk is.
Alfredo – Well, everything in life is policy. But rock always had political aims, implicit or not. We think that rock is not incompatible with a certain vision of the society, and it may add something, in a way. I mean, we want to destroy the society, because we want another one better.
RP – Anarchists?
Alfredo – Not necessarily...
Serra – You can call us what you want.
Alfredo – We are no politicians, you know? Not by profession...
Serra – We don’t know which system is the best. We want something better, without day-by-day exploration.
RP – And do you get there through rock?
Serra – We don’t know. We know rock can help. If we were like all those guys – in Portugal too – who play rock just to kill time, to people listen and forget their problems, we’re not going anywhere. We want people to see the reality, not in the way sophisticated rock musicians do.
Alfredo – We want the rock we do to be simple, in terms of music and words. But simplicity is not synonym of crap. The lyrics got to be more than words. We want people to pay attention to something. If we’d do a very sophisticated music, we’d alienate the people; they wouldn’t listen to the essential. So, rock can be political.
RP – Your lyrics may chock the puritans (or the false ones). What do you think, if by chance, you’d be performing and the concert would be stopped by the police, because of the lyrics, claiming for “public moral offences”?
Fernando – I wouldn’t be surprised.
Serra – We’re not expecting that, but the possibility exists. For now, we are against the police as guarantee of the system, so naturally, they don’t like us.
Alfredo – Though punk is normally associated to the swastika cross, we are radically against that.
RP – But they say they use swastika crosses just to chock, they’re not fascists...
Serra – O.K. But we can get new ways of chocking, without playing the fascists game. The Sex Pistols called fascist to the queen of England. She is, of course! I really agree with those guys.
Alfredo – That’s free… there are many ways to say the same thing. When we write the lyrics, our concern is about telling something close to reality.
Serra – The importance of punk is to open up the language field that’s used in the lyrics. We can use the words we say every day, obscenities and jargon included in the right context. We don’t say those words because it’s fashion, but because the people understand.
RP – Is there violence in your shows, on stage?
Óscar – We‘re no cheap bullies. We don’t like violence for violence. We are violent, mostly on what we say. You can get there and smash everything up, but without words, that doesn’t mean too much.
RP – If any musical critic writes bad things about you, what would you do?
Serra – Well, we don’t give a shit about the critics. Most critics are part of the system. And if it touches you, I’m sorry.
I’m not sorry!
RP – The hat doesn’t fit me. I’m not even a critic… I’m a simple journalist.
Serra – Good for you.
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